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Location: Ohio | Hello I want to make my own Fluorocarbon leaders, I have the stuff I need to make them but I need to know what Knot to use for tying the Snap and swivel onto the line? and what length, around here I have seen 16" - 30" Leaders but don't know what length for Crank Baits and Sledge Baits? Palomar, Uni Knot ? or what knot do you guys reccomend ? I looked in the FAQ section and did a search but couldn't find any info and then the search kept timing out so ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Oh, I have 50 Lb Seaguar clear line, Ball Bearing Barrels and good snap loks, I just need the type of knot to use Thank you very much |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | I can't help you with the kind of knot. I tried to tie my own a few years back and gave up since I couldn't get a good knot. So I handed those duties off to Stealth Tackle. I should have done that sooner! Length is a personal preference. But casting leaders tend to be about a foot. Some people like them a bit longer. I would highly recommend scrapping the idea of using 50 pound fluoro if you're using it for musky applications. You'll regret it eventually. I would double that at a minimum. This is where you'll run into more difficulty with a good knot as well.
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| http://leetauchen.com/lees_leader_knot.pdf
This knot works well, but I completely agree with Aaron that 50lb is far too weak. 100 is not super difficult to tie, but I have noticed the Gamma flouro in 100 is a bit harder to tie than Seguar. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I would use 130 Pound Seaguar at a minimum. I have been using 150 pound Seaguar, and have been using the knot that Jason linked. Even with 150 pound test, it isn't hard to tie at all. I have also been crimping the tag ends. It adds a little extra security and cleans up the tag end nicely.
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Location: SE Wisconsin | <p>...</p> |
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| Dont use 80 lb! It can and will break
IF you catch enough fish you will have problems. I used 80 lb for 1 year, and needed to change out leaders from being ruined in the net/teeth gouges etc... close to every 1/3 fish.
15 fish on an 80lb leader has to be an egzaggeration unless you count bass or don't net your fish.
Edited by Jason Bomber 6/4/2009 2:08 PM
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Location: SE Wisconsin | <p>...</p> |
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| I still DO NOT trust 80lb! 
Edited by Jason Bomber 6/4/2009 2:40 PM
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Location: North/Central WI | Buy a nail-knotter from Rollies. Costs about $13. Makes tying heavy poundage fluoro easy. I use it with 130lb Seaguar with good results. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | There are more reasons for the poundage I choose then simply tying the knot. My main purpose revolves around weight more than anything, and flexibility as the next. My preferences, while they may stray from some others, is to have as little weight possible at the head of my lures for a number of reasons.
Edited by Sam Ubl 6/4/2009 2:48 PM
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| I know I will catch a lot of hell for saying this, but it's just my opinion-again my opinion. All fluorocarbon should be banned. Steel is the only way to ethically fish for musky. |
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| Sam, I went from 80# to 100# to 130#, and unless you're talking about something the size a 6" jake or a #5 Mepps, I've noticed no difference in the flouro affecting the action of my lures. It's neutrally buoyant, so about the only thing that would add any weight would be the big #5 Stay Lok snap. And in that case, where weight is an issue, you can jsut use a #7 bucher split ring instead of a snap. |
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| I use 80# and it is the best (IMO) but does not stand up in the long term as well as 100. It is easier to work with and is far less visible in my opinion. The thicker 100# takes on an opaque look due to its thickness. I use a saltwater flyfishing loop knot, trim it and then put a covering of 5 minute epoxy over the knots to keep them snug and make them smooth so no weeds catch on the tag. So far - 3 years, lots of muskies up to 48" and not one failure or near failure. Were I fishing in Georgian Bay or Vermillion... I would likely choose the 100#.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | I use #130 flurocarbon leaders, I think of them like my underwear, you should change them every 2-3 days !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U should Not use #80 test, most pro's use STEALTH 130LB test !!!!!!!!!!
Edited by PIKEMASTER 6/4/2009 6:44 PM
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | 130lb. Crimped with double barrell crimp than melted on end... never a pull thru, and has been working for a while now.
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Location: Ohio | http://leetauchen.com/lees_leader_knot.pdf
I looked at this knot and I will give this knot a try, I will get heavier line tomorrow when I get into town
Thanks to all who gave me advice and help |
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Location: Oswego, IL | I thought wire was actually worse, if you dont break off. Of course any break off is horrible, but if it doesnt wire will hurt a fish more than Floro. |
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Location: Ohio | I have some Wire Leaders but was told years ago when I fished for Pike that the fish can see a wire from a mile away?
We also caught many Pike with 12 Lb Mono back when me, my Brother and friends were 11 years old.
Maybe I will try Wire and Fluorocarbon and see how they both work out ? |
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Location: ashtabula ohio | i used to crimp til i found that lee tauchen knot.... easy to tie and tough..it s the cats ass..! |
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| I second the use of a nail-knot. Never had a problem and I use 80lb. test. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | I moved up to 100lb over the weekend. Everyone happy? Pikiemaster, can I be a "pro" now??????????? A good look over your leader can be the ultimate judge as to whether or not you change out your leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! K-enough with the intensity, WOW Pikemaster.
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| Sam Ubl - 6/9/2009 3:32 PM
I moved up to 100lb over the weekend. Everyone happy? [...]
Well, that depends on what brand it is, if you used the right knot, the right crimping tool, the right sleeves, and the right snaps/swivels/solid rings/split rings...
And it depends on whether you super glued the knot jsut to be safe, did you check your guides, is your underwear the right color is the sunlight reflecting off the water at just the right angle and are your shoes tied the right way...
Jeez Sam -- you of all people should know there's only one right way to catch a musky, and there's at least 100 things that you can screw up along the way, which means that you really have no idea what you are doing... |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Unless U are casting small baits and the leader will steal some of action of the bait, why risk a break off ?????????? and kill a musky ??????????? I have been using 130# F/C leaders and trying out some 150# and 180# this week, I hate to see a musky killed because the leader broke. As far as weight goes U are talking grams, so I don't get the weight thing ????? A 50" plus musky is a fish of a lifetime so why put that musky at risk with a 80# leader????? My main line is 80# and 100#, for any bait over 4oz I use 100# line and my small baits under 4oz I use 80#test line so break offs are very very rare for me.   Here is a step by step how I make my F/C leaders, go to http://www.ofncommunity.com/forums/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid...
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Location: Ohio | Geeshhhhhhh all this from my Knot Question ?
I looked at the PDF of the Lee Tauchen Knot, I couldn't figure that Knot out, his fingers were covering the Pic up, I had it close but it just wasn't turning out right.
I know it is something simple I am missing too. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Lee Tauchen knot is called a CENTAURI KNOT go to http://www.fishing-khaolak.com/knots/centauri.html for step by step how to tie. or http://www.ausfish.com.au/knots/ for a animated step by step.
Edited by PIKEMASTER 6/9/2009 11:05 PM
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Location: NEW | This is my favorite knot website
http://www.marinews.com/Centauri-Knot-317.php |
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Location: Ohio |
Went to the first site listed and I figured it out, thank You for the links |
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Location: Canada, Eh! | Any of you have experience with the Perfection Loop with 130#+ fluoro? Or any other "loop" style knot for leaders.
http://www.ausfish.com.au/knots/perfectionloop.shtml
Edited by boost 6/10/2009 1:24 PM
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| It looks like the "Lee Tauchen’s Fluorocarbon Leader Knot" pulls tight rather than forming a loop. I'm use to using leaders with loops.
Is there any benefit to NOT having a loop on either end of a leader? |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Bob, "Lee's" knot will tighten up, but you can tighten the knot up by pulling on the tag end (hard) with a pair of pliers and keep the loop formed. I crimp the tag end, and this also keeps the knot from tightening down. It won't close the loop unless the line slips in the crimp, which shouldn't happen.
I believe that a nail knot, which I believe is what Stealth uses, will also tighten up if the main line is pulled on.
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Location: Canada, Eh! | bob, the perfection loop i posted on the 1st page is just that, a loop knot. i've used it with fluoro up to 50# but yet to try it on 130#+. I'll have to give it a go. |
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Location: Ohio | Ok, I am new so I am confused, when making a Leader Knot, isn't it supposed to be cinched down tight ? or is there supposed to be a little "Give" or Loop so the Lure has more room to move ? |
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| I just tie a regular fisherman's knot with 4 twists, melt the tag end and good to go |
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| A simple clinch knot with only 3 turns is all that's needed. This knot has never broken or let go on dozen upon dozens of large pike, musky's, tigers and snags over 10 years of my usage. Kiss principle easy to tie, no bulky knot or crimp to gather weeds. I use 80# Seagaur Blue Label, but I have to swap them out regularly, the price I pay for using lighter leader material, but more natural (my preference only).
Watch the video , by the way again only 3 turns for high test fluorocarbon is all that's needed, will not break or come loose. This knot is to be used only for the snap end.
http://howtoflyfish.orvis.com/fly-fishing-knots/clinch-knot-animati...
I use a double uni to tie to the main line. Again that has never come loose or broke. 5 or 6 turns on the fluorocarbon 10 to 12 turns on the braid.
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| What do you use in the swivel end? |
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| T3clay - 6/12/2016 1:40 AM
What do you use in the swivel end?
I usually don’t use a swivel but instead tie directly to the main (braid) line using a double uni-knot. However on occasion I do use a snap swivel at the bait end instead of a simple snap at which time I still use a simple clinch knot. I would do the same if I were tying swivels to the other end of my leaders.
One trick that helps that is not shown in the video is to secure the other end of the snap (or swivel) to your workbench with a very small diameter screw. This holds it down-in place as you tighten the knot which takes a bit of pulling to tighten completely. This is only necessary with the high test fluorocarbon.
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Location: Toronto, Ontario | Perfection loop knot--100 or more leaders for myself and friends over the years, zero failures at the knot. The loop will wear out eventually but not the knot. The keys are to moisten the knot and to draw it very tight under pressure. Easy peasy. |
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