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Location: Eastern Ontario | So if you go out with a guide/trolling
he goes to a location
chooses lures
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drives a course
gets a strike
hands you the rod to wind the sting
he nets the fish
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Who reeled it in ... You did. You caught the fish otherwise the fish is still swimming in the lake. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | can't agree biggest part is getting the hookup....... in any case the fish is still going to be swimming in the lake when it's over
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Location: Aurora | It's a trick question. There was no real hunt to it, mediocre thrill factor, like drivin deer/pheasants at a game farm in my opinion. If i had to answer tho, it was a team effort. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Ask a charter captain/guide how many fish he caught last year I'll bet a dollar to a donut he's not going to say none ...my clients caught all the fish
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Simple...the BOAT caught the fish UNLESS the rod is in your hand when the fish hits...then YOU caught the fish. Rod in Guide's hand...the guide caught the fish.
Trolling in rod holders is a team effort and each person takes their turn. There is no need for a hook-set in my humble opinion, as the fish is more or less hooked when it hits.
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Location: oswego, il | The only thing that matters is the perspective of the person who reeled it in. For the rest of us EA came up with a decent point system last week that we can use to judge the acomplishment. Does another person change judgment if a child reeled it in?
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| Yes Todd. I have the boat, the gear, the spot scoped out, and hand my kid the pole I just set hooks with. Who caught the fish? My kid.
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| muskidiem - 4/24/2018 7:49 AM
Yes Todd. I have the boat, the gear, the spot scoped out, and hand my kid the pole I just set hooks with. Who caught the fish? My kid.
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| If they could pass around the fish and have an hours long photo shoot, that'd be great. |
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Location: FIB land | I must agree with Todd, it is perspective of the client that truly matters. |
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Location: oswego, il | muskidiem - 4/24/2018 7:49 AM
Yes Todd. I have the boat, the gear, the spot scoped out, and hand my kid the pole I just set hooks with. Who caught the fish? My kid.
I have no problem with that, does it hold the same for an adult? |
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Location: Florida | Everyone knows troll fish don't count! |
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Location: oswego, il | tarpon6 - 4/24/2018 11:24 AM
Everyone knows troll fish don't count!
Why not?
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| When I finally got a boat, I went to a place I had never fished before, picked a spot that looked good on a map, and to my surprise I caught a 40"er. Nice clean fish, chunky for its length. After I put the fish back and got back on the TM to finish out the spot, Samantha said "Hey, that's the first musky in your boat!"
Don't know if I ever thought about what my first "real" muskie would feel like after years of fishing out of other people's boats but here it is:
"Yeah. Huh." *cast*.... |
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| I'm gonna stay out of this one! ha ha. |
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| ToddM - 4/24/2018 10:31 AM
muskidiem - 4/24/2018 7:49 AM
Yes Todd. I have the boat, the gear, the spot scoped out, and hand my kid the pole I just set hooks with. Who caught the fish? My kid.
I have no problem with that, does it hold the same for an adult?
I guess the only difference is paying someone and pride. And when it comes to pride and men, well, we'll never know the answer. Could be a legal battle for rights to the fish. To each his own. For what it's worth. Whatever floats your boat...
On another note, I went across Lake Dubay/WI River today and she's opened up by Hwy 34. Was 68 today in Central WI |
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| who reel the fish in ? easy answer. even if the guides do almost all the work ,at the end the net guys can't be credited for the fish.a polite way would be mr x with a 55 pound fish guided by mr y. but at the end i think it's the client choice, he pay enough money to make the choice ,even if the giant will be published or not |
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| I'm gonna say the guy running the rods and running the boat is most responsible for fish caught. I will also say that fishing with a guide is more about learning than it is about catching fish imo. |
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| Does the same apply for sucker fishing?
Guide buys the sucker, puts the sucker in the water, runs the trolling motor, clicker goes off ... You set the hook, and crank the reel. Guide nets the fish. Is that the boat or the client's fish?
To me sucker fishing is the most boring and skill lacking way to catch a muskie compared to casting and trolling.
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Location: Duluth, MN | Who pays a guide to take them trolling? For muskies anyways.
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Location: Ashland WI | Dunlap - 4/24/2018 2:42 PM
Does the same apply for sucker fishing?
Guide buys the sucker, puts the sucker in the water, runs the trolling motor, clicker goes off ... You set the hook, and crank the reel. Guide nets the fish. Is that the boat or the client's fish?
To me sucker fishing is the most boring and skill lacking way to catch a muskie compared to casting and trolling.
To me, that means you are doing it wrong.
Listen to Herbeck talk about live bait (sucker) fishing, and then tell me if there is no skill involved.
A lot more to it than just putting a sucker on the line and throwing it out the back of the boat. |
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| Ok Let's suppose I hire a guide to fish big fish water. Say the guide and I are trolling along one pleasant evening and whamo Mr BIG hits the bait. I spring to my feet grab the rod and reel in the fish. The guide nets it and measures it and it is a new state record. Who's name goes into the record book me or the guide? |
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| Dunlap - 4/24/2018 2:42 PM
Does the same apply for sucker fishing?
Guide buys the sucker, puts the sucker in the water, runs the trolling motor, clicker goes off ... You set the hook, and crank the reel. Guide nets the fish. Is that the boat or the client's fish?
To me sucker fishing is the most boring and skill lacking way to catch a muskie compared to casting and trolling.
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Location: oswego, il | Pepper - 4/24/2018 4:06 PM
Ok Let's suppose I hire a guide to fish big fish water. Say the guide and I are trolling along one pleasant evening and whamo Mr BIG hits the bait. I spring to my feet grab the rod and reel in the fish. The guide nets it and measures it and it is a new state record. Who's name goes into the record book me or the
You're name would pop with all the musky police asterisks next to it! |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Lundbob - 4/24/2018 4:47 PM
Who pays a guide to take them trolling? For muskies anyways.
Probably 65% of the people trolling St Clair |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I figure it only matters to the person who caught the fish, I guess.
The rest is stupid ego and schlong measuring.
Personally, I like the challenge of chasing fish out of my boat, with my small brain, overly expensive gear and quickly evaporating knowledge of muskie things....but that's me. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Lundbob - 4/24/2018 4:47 PM
Who pays a guide to take them trolling? For muskies anyways.
Id say probably 4 out of every 5 who hire a guide here on the Saint Laurent. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Actually 2 years ago in the Lake Ontario Salmon Hunt A guy won a car 6 months later the charter captain sued for half the value. The rules clearly state the fish belongs to the ANGLER who weighs it in. The guide accepted $1000 on the court house steps as he knew he was not going to win. |
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| Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
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Location: Aurora | 14ledo81 - 4/24/2018 3:54 PM
Listen to Herbeck talk about live bait (sucker) fishing, and then tell me if there is no skill involved.
A lot more to it than just putting a sucker on the line and throwing it out the back of the boat.
I know i'm off topic but I gotta agree with the above plus, soakin bait is dayyum near more werk than duck hunting with little to no return even when you ARE doin it right. Currently readin Eli's "That Big Fat musky Book" and during his interview with Jim Saric, Jim stated that he was up to 74 fifty-inchers with only one coming on live bait. |
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Location: The desert | Who cares? |
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Location: oswego, il | Anyone trying to figure out why mn property owners don't want muskies, thus musky fisherman on their lake need not go much further than this and the other thread atop the general discussion board.
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| JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
Wasn’t my point. But to your point, I don’t think many hire guides to put forth the same grind they’d have to without one.
I’m not against guides at all. But if a sportsman gloats about a trophy from a guided trip, it's a little like cheating. |
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Location: Ashland WI | Booch - 4/24/2018 9:02 PM
JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
Wasn’t my point. But to your point, I don’t think many hire guides to put forth the same grind they’d have to without one.
I’m not against guides at all. But if a sportsman gloats about a trophy from a guided trip, it's a little like cheating.
Cheating? To you maybe. All that really matters is what the guy that caught the fish feels like.
Why would anyone care about how (or with who) someone else caught a fish?
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Location: Aurora | ToddM - 4/24/2018 6:38 PM
Anyone trying to figure out why mn property owners don't want muskies, thus musky fisherman on their lake need not go much further than this and the other thread atop the general discussion board.
You mean the "New Rain Gear" thread?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Most of the guides I fish with are my friends, not paid for the day. Some are fishing with me, not the other way around. Now there are REALLY serious issues.
Absolute proof muskie anglers will argue about anything. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | sworrall - 4/25/2018 12:04 AM
Most of the guides I fish with are my friends, not paid for the day. Some are fishing with me, not the other way around. Now there are REALLY serious issues.
Absolute proof muskie anglers will argue about anything.
Arguing, discussing, conversating, debating, whatever you wanna call her Steve. Interesting topics provoke a diverse variety of opinions and stances i guess... come on summer lol... |
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Location: Kansas City MO | JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
I always hire guides on LOTW. I don't own a boat and therefore my LU is never at risk. We grind it out for a week and I catch many fish. I guess I don't any fish? |
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Location: oswego, il | Ivegotafever - 4/25/2018 6:23 AM
JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
I always hire guides on LOTW. I don't own a boat and therefore my LU is never at risk. We grind it out for a week and I catch many fish. I guess I don't any fish?
There are no excuses in musky fishing. If you don't throw giant baits with a giant reel, wear cool clothes, a buff, do it in big fiberglass and have a gigantic ego, you are just taking up space and lucking or buying into whatever comes your way. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Ivegotafever - 4/25/2018 7:23 AM
JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
I always hire guides on LOTW. I don't own a boat and therefore my LU is never at risk. We grind it out for a week and I catch many fish. I guess I don't any fish?
I would guess on Lake of the Woods you are doing a lot of casting and the guide is taking you to spots. When I started the thread I was referring to trolling situations where the guide is doing everything but winding the string. There's nothing wrong with that if that's what you want, but to me working out the puzzle is what turns my crank.
In not owning a boat and a lot of other shiny stuff you may be the smartest guy on here. I'm sure with the money I've spent on boats and tackle that was never used insurance, storage, marina fees, ramp fees in the last 40 years I could have fished with a guide every weekend and been money ahead.
Like Steve I do on occasion fish with friends that guide but we run our own toys. When in their boat I will buy lunch or throw in some gas money and they do the same when we fish out of mine . |
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| No different than casting all the guide's spots IMO. He's still putting you on the fish. When trolling, if my rod goes off or it's my turn if a rod goes off, then I caught it. If it's the next guy's turn, he caught it. |
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| If you have to travel a long ways to fish big water hiring a guide or knowing somebody in the area is about the only way many people can fish some of the legendary muskie spots. I've hired a guide on the few trips I fished Lake St. Clair and would probably do the same if I ever get to fish Georgian Bay, St. Lawrence River, Ottawa River, Vermillion, or Mille Lacs. I catch almost all my fish wading, as I sold my boat a long time ago, as it was the only way I can afford to fish a lot for muskies. I drive to the places I want to fish in a car that gets about 30 miles a gallon, so I can make more trips. I do fairly well, I caught a 50.25" pure bred and a 52.5" hybrid both wading last year and caught about 35 muskies and hybrids total. |
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| I've been fishing musky about 5 years up here in Canada.
I hadn't trolled for musky until last year.
When I take my buddies out trolling, with my gear, my boat, my lures, my net, and my gas, I make it very clear that every fish caught belongs to the boat.
We take turns fighting and landing them, but they still belong to the boat.
When we land a 55 incher, I don't want the guy who happened to be up next to reel to be able to take all the credit.
As for guides, I don't think they care.
They land hundreds of fish a season.
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Booch - 4/24/2018 5:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
Fortunately we have white knights out there like you to put these losers in their place. It’s important to let them know we will not tolerate their happiness unchecked
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Location: Otsego, MN | Does it matter? When I fish I consider everyone in the boat to be on the same "team". Whoever is the least experienced usually is up front if casting, gets the first rod when trolling and ALWAYS gets the first sucker. I could care less about personally catching fish anymore, its about the comradery and success for the boat. I still enjoy every fish that hits my bait but I get almost as excited seeing others do well.
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Location: Honor, MI | Back on topic, as far as I'm concerned, when trolling, the guide's job is put out the lines, drive the boat, net the fish, and maybe take pictures, period. The client's job, when a rod goes off is to grab it from the holder, and reel in the fish, "his fish."
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| But if it's your boat and it's the boat's fish, is it more your fish than the others who are in your boat?
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Location: Honor, MI | This thread is becoming way too esoteric for an old man. Your's, the guides, the boats, seriously? What ever trips your trigger. After 55+ years of fishing (40 hardcore)
I've been fortunate enough to have many mounts of multiple species on the wall.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | greyghost - 4/26/2018 3:41 PM
This thread is becoming way too esoteric for an old man. Your's, the guides, the boats, seriously? What ever trips your trigger. After 55+ years of fishing (40 hardcore)
I've been fortunate enough to have many mounts of multiple species on the wall.
Since possession is 90% of the law they're all MINE, eh?
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