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| I've fished my favorite lake for~ 15 years. It's ~8 miles by ~ 3/4 miles. I've come to learn some good spots and numerous baits-techniques that produce. Several people-friends that live-fish on the lake agree with me that since the recent cool-down fishing improved. However we all agree they still don't come easy. Well enough background.
A number of guys come off the water consistently (2 in particular) with stories of fantastic catch's (both: size and numbers). I've come to blow off these accounts. I wonder why fisherman lie - exaggerate?
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Location: Contrarian Island | Ask to see the pics. 
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I'm a liar not likely to tell you I got a fish. My soninlaw caught his first really good fish and was busting to tell someone . When we got to the dock and someone asked if we had any luck I said we didn't drown cant get any luckier than that. I have freespooled more than one fish while a boat passed |
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| I always say "nothing" when asked at the landing. Sometimes its true, sometimes not. |
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Location: Minnesota | If some one I'll tell them most of the time catch is nothing. But if I see fish I'll tell them hope they catch them. I fish vermilion once a year for a week if I see fish tell people right where I seen them and what I was casting. |
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| I usually see it with new individuals to the sport. I think a lot of it has to due with the level of difficulty this passion has at certain times and new guys get frustrated. They watch all the TV and YouTube vides and see all the posts on Facebook. Seems like and awesome sport and I can catch some huge fish.....BUT....it's not that simple. After a few years of trying and not being in the 1%, I think a lot of these same guys get frustrated and start to feel the pressure to be as good as everyone else, at least in their eyes. I've been doing this for 17 years and over the past 5 or so years I completely stopped posting pictures on Facebook and getting involved with the numbers rants online. To me, it's just not worth it and does nothing good for the sport to be arrogant, especially if you're lying about it. |
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| What Hoolihan said.
There is power in lying. I think they like to see how people react, and muskie stories get people's attention. You can BS a lot of people, just not other dedicated muskie people. When you show a picture people ask one to three things: whered ya catch it? and How long did it take to land it? Did you keep it? They'll eat up any story you tell them. I do lie about the where quite often because the average person doesn't know muskie etiquette of don't ask where. I could spin a tale of the long battle, it dragging me around the lake, or say I got five fish today and people would believe it. It's all catch and release, so they'll never know the difference. It happens most in muskie fishing since the fish has some legend to it.
Why lie? Cause you can. Most guys have more character than that, some pretend they are the 1%. |
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Location: oswego, il | Look in they're boat. If you don't see a bump board, walk away and ignore them. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The dead tell is the hands. |
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Location: Aurora | sworrall - 9/15/2017 7:37 PM
The dead tell is the hands.
I second the above.
If their hands look destroyed, thumb calloused, and they can't straighten out the pinkie & ring finger on their palming hand.. they might be an honest ta goodness non-fibber.
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| I normally see them and normally say I had a good day looking at them but didn't get any... now, fishing in general, my buddy and I have had many "poor" days with other people saying they slayed them... well this year we entered a few tournaments and have won just under half, that is my proof that other people's great day is often still less than a "poor" day to us. But to be fair anyday on the water is better than a day at work. |
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| So on the other hand, if I see the same boater a few days in the row and have no issues with there behavior I will probally tell them a piece to the puzzle and the truth about what I caught( if they want either). Or if I see some younger anglers who appear to be green and they are behaving well I'll tell them up to two pieces of the puzzle. Parts of the puzzle are bait, size of bait, color, speed, depth, location, timing
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| The lies Ive heard at the boat launch never seise to amaze me. Last fall with tackleaddict a guy tried to explain to us how he was in the boat with his dog and spotted a "easily 50" inch musky. He explained in detail how his dog then jumped in and grabbed the tail of the fish and they alligator rolled for a while. I pulled the BS card immediately. |
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| I know many Walleye guys who would rather dump their wife than admit to getting skunked fishing. I'm sure there are some Muskie guys like that also. For me it doesn't matter. You catch them or you don't. Species doesn't matter.
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Location: Vilas | I think it makes ppl feel like a big shot for a little while, telling grandiose stories of magnificent fish caught or seen. Just yesterday in a bar in Minocqua I talked to a couple young guys at a local bar. They had caught a 50.5 and a 51 and multiple fish 40"-45"....I said thats nice. With the weather the last week being in the upper 70`s and low 80`s, fishing hasnt been that great to say the least...so I know the were feeding me a line....If I would of had a couple more drinks in me, I would have said... geez, what were you doing wrong? I caught 5 over 50" and lost a real big one.. if it dont look like a 50 i shake it off.
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| It happens. I've run into guys who said "yeah, we got one about 50" today!" in lakes where a 45" fish is caught about once a season. How many times have you heard about the fish that was "probably close to 6 feet long!!"?
It used to bother me. These days I walk away with a smile on my face and think to myself: "They're either full of #*#* or they just plain don't know what the **** they're talking about."
I just tell people what it is. Saw three, caught one, about 38", Screwed up a big one one over by _______...
The guys who are actually going to go out where you told them you saw fish and try to catch the fish you said you saw probably can't catch the ****in' things anyway.
If it's someone I know and I'm not going back for it, I'll tell them exactly where we saw fish, what we were throwing, what time it was... Go ahead. I'm not coming back until next year. That fish will be long gone in a week or two. Somebody go catch it... |
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| There is certain twin cities metro lake I fish fairly regularly. It never fails that 3 out of 4 people I talk to put 2 fish in the boat that day. Apparently I'm doing something wrong. |
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| All fishermen lie, except you and me; and I'm not so sure about you.
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| To me it's kind of like that trick you do with your dog where you pretend to throw the ball and he runs for about 30 feet and stops to look back at you like "wait a minute... Where's the ball? You're an a%*$%&!!!"
Great. You fooled... A DOG. Brilliant. |
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Location: Aurora IL | So true steve, cuts will tell.
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| 100% agreed,,the fingers tell the story especially the thumbs,,unfortunately this season I could model jewelry. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | When someone tells you they caught a big fish or a bunch of fish, they need to back it up with pictures unless they want to be accused of lying. It's one thing to not tell anyone if you caught fish. That's the smart thing to do. But don't go around claiming you caught a 56 incher and then make up some BS about why you don't have a picture. Another thing that's becoming a stupid trend is posting a big fish picture on FB, then not stating the size. You know the only reason is because they want someone to ask them how big it is. The ego people are getting in this sport is getting out of control.
I know a couple people that claim all kinds of 50's from water that doesn't have very many of them as well. I just laugh.
Here's some honesty for ya. I fished really hard the last 2 weeks and do not have a fish in the net to show! Lot's of lost fish and good chances though. Sucks, but oh well! Deer season is coming! |
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Location: oswego, il | Who cares, seriously, they take your money? Probably just dented your ego. |
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| There's a local gentleman who happens to have caught the longest fish in the Lunge Log database for almost every lake in the area. Gotta just laugh.
It does get annoying when your friends lie to you routinely and without being prompted. Not a blow to the ego - I already assume they're better fishermen than I anyway. |
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Location: Illinois | I only get to chase these fish a few times a year. If I have caught something that day or not I always answer honestly. I don't see a need to lie. But I'm not into this sport for ego gratification. If I were, my ego would need a microscope to be found. Lol. These fish kick my butt on a regular basis. I won't tell people where "exactly" or what "exactly" the activity is/was on. As far as the "blowhards" go...whatever I know you're not worth listening to. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | talmooner - 9/17/2017 8:56 PM
All fishermen lie, except you and me; and I'm not so sure about you.
I'm going to make a slight change to that.
All fishermen lie, except you and me; and I'm not so sure about me! lol
The standard reply in camp on the annual Sabaskong Bay club outing to the question of; Where did you see it/catch it? It was the island with the pines and the rocks on it.
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Location: Southern Indiana | ^This is the case for me as well. I'm honest about what I caught or didn't catch. If it's day one of a three day trip & I'm moving/catching fish I'll be a little vague about the location if I'm planning to return later. If it's the last day I'll tell someone exactly where I've seen fish, chances are they won't still be there when I return weeks or months later. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 9/18/2017 9:33 AM
Another thing that's becoming a stupid trend is posting a big fish picture on FB, then not stating the size. You know the only reason is because they want someone to ask them how big it is. The ego people are getting in this sport is getting out of control.
I disagree a bit with this. I put the odd pic on FB, I never state a size....why...because some joker is gonna argue it no matter what you say. Truthfully I think its the people that NEED to know how big others fish are are that have issues with their ego. Screw it, let them stew in their jealously that someone else may catch bigger fish than them.
We have a local Ottawa area guide, that claims to have the live release world record at 62 1/4.....
Literally, no joke , every time you would see him coming off the water he would have a 40 pound 50 incher or two, and claim to have lost, or seen a fish pushing 60 inches or 60 pounds...every time...without fail.
This river is good, but not that good. Lost of very good anglers fish it, and 54's are really rare....60's....hahahaha
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Location: Green Bay, WI | If you want people to leave you alone about your fish, just tell them you catch a 50 each time you go out. I think you'll quickly become the boy who cried wolf, so when you do actually catch one...no one will be there to care.
For example, at last count, I've had 1387 fifties in my boat. But I might be off by one or two...
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Lunger50 - 9/22/2017 5:21 PM
Kirby Budrow - 9/18/2017 9:33 AM
Another thing that's becoming a stupid trend is posting a big fish picture on FB, then not stating the size. You know the only reason is because they want someone to ask them how big it is. The ego people are getting in this sport is getting out of control.
I disagree a bit with this. I put the odd pic on FB, I never state a size....why...because some joker is gonna argue it no matter what you say. Truthfully I think its the people that NEED to know how big others fish are are that have issues with their ego. Screw it, let them stew in their jealously that someone else may catch bigger fish than them.
We have a local Ottawa area guide, that claims to have the live release world record at 62 1/4.....
Literally, no joke , every time you would see him coming off the water he would have a 40 pound 50 incher or two, and claim to have lost, or seen a fish pushing 60 inches or 60 pounds...every time...without fail.
This river is good, but not that good. Lost of very good anglers fish it, and 54's are really rare....60's....hahahaha
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| If I was gonna lie,,first somebody has to tell me WHO in muskie fishing I'm supposed to be worried about impressing??? I'm pretty active and I can't think of ANYBODY that can make you rich or famous.
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Location: Aurora | happy hooker - 10/6/2017 5:57 PM
If I was gonna lie,,first somebody has to tell me WHO in muskie fishing I'm supposed to be worried about impressing??? I'm pretty active and I can't think of ANYBODY that can make you rich or famous.
I know, right?
Plus, why lie about an addiction?
Even a certified world record only leaves you needing a bigger fix.
I even shy away from telling family members too much about it.
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| Well, at least when you say " the fish was that big" spreading your arms, you're probably not that far away from the thruth when you actually catch one. If you've been to the sport long enough you'll know when someone is bs or not but then again for ocassional angler, stories of size of the fish or even catching one swearling your stick in water might seem far from believable. Point of perspective differs significantly depending on location. Everything in modaration. Especially when it comes to sports.
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| I must be some sort of a (insert your own favorite female adjective) but on the rare (I know, I know) days when I have a fish worth bringing into the boat, I put on a glove. The only way you will see my hands destroyed by these stinking, slimy, SOB’ s is if you were there the first time it happened. Just don’t know why we think stupid is the red badge of courage. And, all the ladies really love my nice soft hands, and that’s no “lie.” |
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Location: Ashland WI | Junkman - 10/7/2017 7:49 AM
I must be some sort of a (insert your own favorite female adjective) but on the rare (I know, I know) days when I have a fish worth bringing into the boat, I put on a glove. The only way you will see my hands destroyed by these stinking, slimy, SOB’ s is if you were there the first time it happened. Just don’t know why we think stupid is the red badge of courage. And, all the ladies really love my nice soft hands, and that’s no “lie.”
Only the ladies? I would think male muskies would appreciate them as well...... |
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| Categorising is another topic. What you think clever, for "other" people might sound as cynical and offensive. Again, when you mix black and white, usually comes out as grey, and many shades of it. For the lack of better words, stupis is as stupid does. Just to simplify. Probably another category should be created named trolling considering all the upper states allow it. Just to replace winternet and kinda point stupid where to look for. Now thats darn funny.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Unionski - 10/8/2017 9:48 PM
Categorising is another topic. What you think clever, for "other" people might sound as cynical and offensive. Again, when you mix black and white, usually comes out as grey, and many shades of it. For the lack of better words, stupis is as stupid does. Just to simplify. Probably another category should be created named trolling considering all the upper states allow it. Just to replace winternet and kinda point stupid where to look for. Now thats darn funny.[/QUOTE
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Location: oswego, il | This is why i support background checks on all musky fisherman. |
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| JakeStCroixSkis - 10/6/2017 9:50 AM
Lunger50 - 9/22/2017 5:21 PM
Kirby Budrow - 9/18/2017 9:33 AM
Another thing that's becoming a stupid trend is posting a big fish picture on FB, then not stating the size. You know the only reason is because they want someone to ask them how big it is. The ego people are getting in this sport is getting out of control.
I disagree a bit with this. I put the odd pic on FB, I never state a size....why...because some joker is gonna argue it no matter what you say. Truthfully I think its the people that NEED to know how big others fish are are that have issues with their ego. Screw it, let them stew in their jealously that someone else may catch bigger fish than them.
We have a local Ottawa area guide, that claims to have the live release world record at 62 1/4.....
Literally, no joke , every time you would see him coming off the water he would have a 40 pound 50 incher or two, and claim to have lost, or seen a fish pushing 60 inches or 60 pounds...every time...without fail.
This river is good, but not that good. Lost of very good anglers fish it, and 54's are really rare....60's....hahahaha
I wouldnt be shocked to hear a 60 come from the Dirty O
Sure at, the lower end where it meets the Larry. Possible.
Not at the section in question....and certainly not every single time you are on the water.
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Location: SE Wisc | I don't get it either. I'm at a point in my fishing life where I'm confident in my abilities to catch fish and feel I'm usually making the right decisions on the water. (This is what makes fishing challenging and makes the catch that much more rewarding) I tell people, who ask, exactly how I did and what I caught or didn't catch. I don't always say where but will give info like find the sand grass, mid lake humps, wind blown points,etc. If they need more info than that they probably won't catch a fish anyways |
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| Now that I think about this , nobody asks if I even caught a fish, or if I know a good spot, or might suggest a bait choice. It’s more a pitiful look like you’d give the last puppy in the window that’s never going to be adopted. Do you see where modesty has gotten me? The heck with this, I’m going to YouTube and learn how to photoshop good fish onto my posts. And, I’m also going to get one of those ridiculous huge nets that take up a whole boat.....cuz now I need it! Yea, the Junkman has the biggest muskies from this day forward. And, I’m telling everybody! |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I heard of a guy claiming he got a 54 + x 29 or something but he won't show the pic to even his best friends... when asked to see it he makes up some bs excuses... so you catch a fish that likely was the MN state record and not 1 of your friends has even seen the pic? Ok then... yah sure it was 29" around. the ol 29" internet girth...
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| BNelson - 10/11/2017 9:03 AM I heard of a guy claiming he got a 54 x 29 or something but he won't show the pic to even his best friends... when asked to see it he makes up some bs excuses... so you catch a fish that likely was the MN state record and not 1 of your friends has even seen the pic? Ok then... yah sure it was 29" around. the ol 29" internet girth... ;) I was hoping to see a picture of the claimed 54.5 X 29 too. He read my PM and not even a reply back. I think at the time he would have been like 20 years old. Sometimes kids imaginations exaggerate a little but a picture would speak volume in a fish of this size. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I could post pics of some fish many would think are in the low to mid 20 inch girths that don't even hit 20... my belief is 99% of the claimed 25+ girths were never actually girthed, they just guessed based off what they saw reported on the ol interweb of other falsely claimed girths... or I just need to buy a new girth tape that starts at 5.
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| First time I measured the girth of a fish I was pretty shocked. Just for fun, I went around measuring the girth of various oval shaped things just to see what it took to get to 30". My guess is a lot of the guys posting girth measurements don't even have a tape. |
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Location: Ashland WI | esoxaddict - 10/11/2017 10:20 AM
First time I measured the girth of a fish I was pretty shocked. Just for fun, I went around measuring the girth of various oval shaped things just to see what it took to get to 30". My guess is a lot of the guys posting girth measurements don't even have a tape.
I agree. The first fish I girthed was a 48.5'' (my PB at the time). I was shocked it "only" girthed at 20-21. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | The first one I measured was a 48" as well. 16" girth! Ha! It was basically average for a June fish. I measured a smallmouth at 16" once as well.
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Location: Contrarian Island | and that is the problem with the internet, guys think a 48 x 20 isn't fat...that is 100% incorrrect that is actually a pretty fat one... oh and Baby Mallard it wasn't a claimed 54.5 x 29, it was 54.5 x 29.5. which is just under 60 lbs...I bet Larry Ramsell would like to see the pics on that one...lol, I'm sure they will never surface. |
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| I agree with the girth measuring---Most have never done it--just estimates and in my experience--the estimated girth is usually off to the high side-- I got a LATE FALL Fat 48" once--personal best and when I measured the girth at 23-- I thought it was wrong--I would have probably guessed 25--maybe more----It looked GIANT to me at the time--especially because it was the largest I had caught.... |
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Location: Ashland WI | esox911 - 10/12/2017 3:42 PM
I agree with the girth measuring---Most have never done it--just estimates and in my experience--the estimated girth is usually off to the high side-- I got a LATE FALL Fat 48" once--personal best and when I measured the girth at 23-- I thought it was wrong--I would have probably guessed 25--maybe more----It looked GIANT to me at the time--especially because it was the largest I had caught....
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| In 2000 I think it was I caught at that time a thick 52" fish that was a PB I girthed at 21". Because of popular musky magazine claims and the start of internet girths, I thought surely I had girthed the fish wrong and gradually changed it. Finally a buddy who was very experienced set me straight. He saw the picture and said it does look like a 21" girth and that it was a nice fish. Last year in November I had a big fat 53" hit the net. It girthed at 23". I pull the cloth tape tight! Yes I have some very big girthed fish in excess of 25", but most are around 20-21 on well built 50" fish. I guess I also need a tape that starts at the 5" mark. lol.
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Location: Elroy, Wisconsin | I think I'll stop measuring my fish. I like to get a photo of a muskie over 45", so I can
recall the moment. From now on its mid 40' or pushing 50 or 37-38. I quit netting muskies a couple of years ago under 40 if possible. Seems a lot easier on the fish and less poop in my boat. Quit talking about muskies I caught several years ago, except to a few close friends. My grand sons fish I talk a lot about.
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Location: Ashland WI | ToddM - 10/12/2017 8:09 PM
I estimate the size of my fish by weighing the poop left in my boat.
Left by you or the fish? |
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Location: oswego, il | 14ledo81 - 10/12/2017 8:40 PM
ToddM - 10/12/2017 8:09 PM
I estimate the size of my fish by weighing the poop left in my boat.
Left by you or the fish?
Why can't it be right by you or the fish?:-) |
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